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Rating: G
Summary: Love is not as easily broken as a certain entertainment company would like you to believe and brotherhood is not so fragile that it snaps when stretched across long distances. An abbreviated guide to the TVXQ lawsuit and why keeping the faith is more than just a saying.
Warning: HOLY MOTHER OF SIWON, WHY IS THIS SO LONG?! Unsolicited opinions regarding the TVXQ lawsuit. Once again, snark equals love. I forever have faith in OT5. Written as if you're still innocent to this whole JYJ vs. HoMin thing. Full o' pictures, gifs and video links, so not dial-up friendly.
Disclaimer: Jaejoong and Yunho belong to each other. All other rights belong to S.M. Entertainment, Avex, C-JeS and Time Warner Entertainment. I claim no ownership of pictures, gifs or edits unless otherwise stated.

part i (ot5) | part ii (yunjae)

To YunJae or Not to YunJae: That is the Question

And now, finally, we can get to the point of my ridiculous ramblings: YunJae. YunJae before the lawsuit was a force to be reckoned with. There were fan cafes, television episodes and whole novels written on the subject. The boys acknowledged their fan fictions and teased shippers with their relationship. Changmin withered in the cross hairs of their intense gazes, Yoochun giggled as he forced one or both of his hyungs to admit just how special they were to each other and Junsu either remained adorably excluded from the YunJae fanclub or ridiculously flailed about in an attempt to cover for his hyungs obvious behavior.

It was so easy to prove the existence of YunJae before. It was everywhere. Hell, the real challenge was trying to figure out which evidence of YunJae was the most YunJae-y.


Answer: This one.

Things are different now. Being a YunJae fan is not as simple as it once was. Now that everyone's favorite pair are no longer working and promoting together, some fans are stating that the most appropriate thing to do would be to shelve YunJae and forget that it ever existed. That would mean no more banners, fan chants or LED signs at concerts. No more YunJae posters, gifts or autographs. No more acknowledging the relationship they shared before the suit.


That's a tall order. These two are extremely hard to forget.
When is comes to YunJae before the split, my confidence with them was strong and unwavering. YunJae was real and YunJae was fact. Don't like it? Sorry, but they clearly do. You disagree? Then explain to me why do they keep touching each other. "Just friends" you say? How many friends do you know stroke the inside of each others' thigh?


Or provide each other with possessive little shoulder massages?
I don't have that same confidence now. It's not that I still don't believe in the emotions between them; I just don't know if acknowledging them is doing more harm than good. There are some days when I have a very "fuck the police" type of attitude about things (YunJae today, YunJae tomorrow, YunJae forever!). But then there are other days when I am the police (Jaejoong is crying. Will you all just shut up and leave him alone!).

Some days, and it's usually those days when JYJ appear to be thriving, there seems to be no harm in playing the YunJae game again. Jaejoong giggles at the sound of Yunho's name and the other two smile along, and I think to myself, I will always love this, this YunJae. Until the boys stop flaunting their YunJae couple gifts, I'll ship YunJae. Until Yoochun decides to give up his role as YunJae's biggest fanboy, I'll ship YunJae. Until Jaejoong stops favoring YunJae fan clubs, I'll ship YunJae. Until they both stop reacting so strongly to the other's name, image, presence, etc., I'll ship YunJae. I'll read the fics, I'll coo over images, I'll smirk at the rumors. Because, as of late, that's the only thing that keeps my TVXQ heart from breaking.


That and this gif. Look at it. It's ridiculous.
But, just as often, there are moments when that seems incredibly selfish. These days, being a YunJae fan means to subsist mostly on faith and devotion to the boys and their past bond. And every now and then, like all fans, I have my doubts about the state of that bond. Sometimes, when Jaejoong looks especially weary and I remember just how much they've struggled, I think that maybe it would be better for everyone to just move on. I know that it must be painful for him to hear Yunho's name getting called out by fangirls after being separated from him for so long. And maybe, it would help us all to heal if we just gave YunJae a rest, at least for a time.

But the thing is, even with all this mental back and forth, I never completely give up the love. For me, relinquishing my fondness for YunJae would mean giving up my faith in OT5. I still believe that there exists a strong bond between Jae and Yunho. And I believe that if there is anything in this world that can reunite TVXQ, it's that bond. Harsh orders and media blackouts won't bring JYJ back to S.M. Entertainment. And if the lure of millions (or billions) of won and complete creative control didn't convince HoMin to leave at the beginning of the law suit, it ain't going to now. However, as corny as this sounds, we as a people tend to do crazy things in the name of love, friendship, brotherhood and nostalgia. And you know what? I don't think mending a rift such as the one that sprung up in this group—this family—is all that crazy.


I mean, they've never failed each other before.
So, I don't continue shipping YunJae because I think they're secretly dating nor am I drawn in by the whole "star-crossed" lover angle the split has now provided the relationship. I keep shipping YunJae for one very simple reason: They are my hope.


I am way too invested in these two.
Remember the way these two used to look out for one another? Remember the hugs and the touches? Remember the warm words and soft teasing? Yeah, that's love. You can feel free to go ahead and argue what type of love it is (platonic, romantic, brotherly or whatever), but it's still love. And this is what I know about love: Love is kind. Love is forgiving. Love holds no grudges. Love is quick to help and slow to judge. Love heals. And that's exactly what this fandom needs if it ever hopes to get through this in one piece.

Now, because I respect JYJ fans decision to support only JYJ, TV2XQ fans decision to support only Yunho and Changmin and non-YunJae fans decision to dislike YunJae, I expect all of those other groups to respect my decision to care for YunJae and OT5. (Did that sentence make any sense? I'm sick of all these fandom factions already.)

There's quite a bit of contempt floating around the fandom for YunJae that is both disheartening and frustrating. This is seems to be especially true of the JYJ- or TV2XQ-only fans. (I have no idea why and this is only an observation, but OT5 fans seem to be more tolerant.) And from what I've noticed, a big chunk JYJ- and TV2XQ-fans tend to be relatively new to the fandom.

Well, let me just take this time to say, "Hi, new guys! Welcome to the fandom. I certainly know that I have no right to tell you what to like or accept. I understand that you may not really get YunJae. That's perfectly reasonable; but please, if you are a new fan, do not tell me I'm 'pathetic' or 'delusional' for continuing to support the boys. YunJae has impacted the fandom in ways you may never really understand. And it's been around a great deal longer than both JYJ and TV2XQ. So forgive me and my squishy shipping heart if I keep favoring these two."


I'm starting to sound kind of bitter. Here's a picture of young Yunho and Jaejoong scratching a puppy to lighten the mood.
Now, I support YunJae. Does that mean I support some of the more "controversial" happenings surrounding YunJae? Eh…not necessarily. Above all, I support the privacy, health and happiness of the boys. You can be a YunJae fan and still value all of those things. A YunJae fan who obsessively stalks the boys, tries to fit them into some strange fantasy or causes any of them to feel uncomfortable is not doing so because they are a YunJae fan. They're doing it because they don't respect those three basic rights.

I tend to be a pretty mellow fan. I listen to the music, read some fan fictions and write a few essays. I'm too broke to go see either of the new groups live, and even if I weren't, I'm WAY too self-conscious to follow them around town or shout things at them. Have you seen Jaejoong's face? He makes me feel like mud.


And not just regular mud. Incredibly unattractive mud.
I view fandoms as having two separate spheres: the one which the artists creates (the music, the videos, their image and actions during concerts/television appearances; basically any situation in which the artist is present) and the one the fans create (fan websites, fan fictions, fan videos, communities on places such as LiveJournal, soompi and Tumblr). I fully support fans being able to continue supporting YunJae in the fan sphere in any way they desire.

This is especially true for us international fans. Is a LiveJournal post that squees over the fact that Jaejoong and Yunho both wore a diamond stud earring in their left ear on the same Tuesday in July silly? Just a little. Is it evidence that the boys are secretly engaged? Doubt it. But is it harmful? No. Neither Yunho nor Jaejoong are checking out the English/Spanish/Tagalog/French/Klingon works surrounding their relationship. Those type of posts may annoy some folks, but they're not likely to affect the boys' personal lives. Guys and gals, have your fun. Fan works are one of the many reasons I've gotten sucked into k-pop as deeply as I have.


Well, it appears the fandom caught the interest of one Mr. Jung, too.
Now when it comes to the artists' sphere, the artist is in charge. As such, I just have one piece of advice: Use common sense and follow the boys' lead. If they seem to be having an off day, give them a break and just let them know they are supported. Things are still rough for both HoMin and JYJ; each group is still looking for their footing in a fickle entertainment world. Jae can't be worried about Yunho if his own career is threatening to crumble down around him, and Yunho doesn't need the Ghost of TVXQ Past floating around his head every time he takes the stage. However, if there seems to be a sense that YunJae would be accepted, feel free to enjoy it. Taking all of that in mind, I don't agree with the actions of some YunJae fans who shouted Yunho's name at Jae during an appearance on the "Tonight" show in Thailand.

Fan chants at a concert are one thing; shouting Yunho's name during a taping of a show on which he is a guest is another. Jae played the situation off as well as could be expected and didn't bring it up in following interviews or shows. But there was some muttering in the fandom about it. There were even rumors that Indonesian officials cancelled the Indonesian leg of the JYJ tour due to protests against the "pro-gay" image Jaejoong portrayed. The rumors were false (the Indonesian stops were cancelled due to disagreements between the concert planners and JYJ's management agency), but it was enough to cause some fans to begin turn against YunJae.

I can't tell people to not ship YunJae and I can't tell them to not not ship YunJae; all I ask is that whatever you do, respect the boys. Respect their privacy, respect their wishes and respect their emotions. (And please, don't mention the smut out in public. We don't need to let the boys in on how perverted we all are.)


YunJae: Now 138% More Real

Kim Jaejoong: "Still in Love"

Like I said, YunJae is a whole different creature in this post-lawsuit world. Our boys have been split up and, therefore, there aren't any glances, handholds or hugs to fangirl over. We don't even get to see them in the same room anymore. This means that the evidence supporting YunJae is less concrete than before. But on the other hand: Kim Jaejoong.

Every time I feel like giving up the faith, this man does something or says something or laughs at something with so much love that I just gush. As we learned in the first post, Jaejoong isn't that good at behaving himself. Or at hiding his affection for Yunho.


Please don't ask him to do both at the same time. Seriously, it's one or the other.
Let's take those traits and add some new circumstances. (See? I didn't go on and on about the split just to bore you.) First, because of JYJ's ban from music shows, the majority of their performances have been live. Not just live, but intimate with smaller audiences than TVXQ's huge concerts. Their shows frequently promote interaction between the guys and their audience members (i.e. shout-outs, dance tutorials, secret concerts). Second, as I mentioned before, JYJ have taken a great deal of control over the music product they put out. And let's just say Jaejoong doesn't hold much back. Finally, Jae has access to Twitter. And Twitter's always getting people into trouble. Just ask Junsu.

I think Jaejoong has mastered the art of being a Visible Invisible. He can say what he wants, do what he wants (within reason), write as many brokenhearted song lyrics as he wants, but as long as he stops short of saying "I love this man," he'll always be protected by the assumption that he's 100 percent straight.


Postcard from Heaven Interview

Watch this video. Watch this video and please tell me just what is so funny?


Oh my lord, you beautiful boy. Are you banging your head on the table, Kim Jaejoong? Are you seriously being that obvious? Is this what happens when Changmin isn't around to keep you in line?

Now, maybe this isn't an example of YunJae. Maybe Jae just has the giggles. Or maybe he's always secretly found Yunho's name hilarious but never laughed at him because he didn't want to hurt his feelings. Maybe he has some dirt on Yunho and is laughing to keep from revealing the fact that Yunho has a crippling fear of...hell, I don't know...clouds. Maybe the person who asked the question was really ugly.

Or maybe Jaejoong can't help but smile at the thought of Jung Yunho. He's not the only one.

I love this video. It's one of the happier moments Jaejoong's had following the initial lawsuit. This is the scene that started the rather iffy habit of fans yelling out Yunho's name whenever Jae performed live. Say what you want about all those other instances, you can't deny the smile on his face here.


The Text Messages

In a series of magazine interviews, Jaejoong revealed that JYJ had tried calling the other two but were unable to reach them. Yunho replied in a later interview that neither he nor Changmin ever received the calls and that it could have been due to the fact that they didn't know JYJ's new numbers and had their calls blocked. And in response to that announcement, our ever loving Jae took to his Twitter and reached out to the other two.


I have to follow the English translated Twitter feed, okay?
That tweet alone isn't really that coo-worthy. (Okay…so actually, it kinda is. Jae is totally talking to his "Lovely Yunho" here. I bet the text he sent was full of emoticons and smileys, too.) What is coo-worthy are Junsu's tweets to HoMin in response to Jae's tweet.


I love this boy. I love his face. I love his hair. I love his pants. I love his squishy, dorky angel heart. Junsu didn't send his own "call me" tweet. He sent a tweet asking a certain "you" to contact a certain "him." That settles it. If Junsu has kept his faith in the YunJae bond, so will I.


"Nine"

"Nine," "Nine," "Nine"…oh my god, "Nine!" You cannot know YunJae and not know of this song. This may be the closest thing any of us will ever get to an admission that YunJae exists. Let's go over some key lines (and by "key," I mean all of them):
Do you know what’s call love?
No, in fact I have no idea about it either…
Just don’t know it, Ye.
My heart feels hot, and I keep running and keep tearing up
What should I do?
Should I go pleading with bent knees?
I don’t know, too Ye.
I keep finding you and running,
I’m back to the original spot even when I keep walking.
Do you not love me?
Do you not want to forget?

Even if I want to start anew
It doesn’t seems easy for our love.
My memories, sweet memories,
I have become someone who can no longer hide it.
Forget the old days,
We just need to have the two of us.
Know we know it, don’t we?
We know it even if we don’t say it out.
Tomorrow, we will shout out of the yesterday that isn’t too far.
I’m sorry that I can’t say it I love you, my dear.
Maybe times I’ve tried calling,
I’ve been thinking about what to say…
I don’t know it, too Ye.
Even as I fall asleep and wake up,
I can’t stop myself from wanting to find you
Look at me, look at the me now
Although it feels awkward because I’ve changed so much, wait.
Let’s not be too far apart,
I make a promise to the world ahead of me.
...
...
...

Really? You expect some sort of commentary following that? Well, I'll try.

Jae's emotions are pretty much all laid out there in the open. If I started pulling quotes from this song, I'd probably end up just retyping the whole thing. The song was written in 2010. Yunho and Jaejoong meet in 2001. The only way he could have made it any more obvious that this song was written for Yunho was if he had Junsu and Yoochun chanting his name in the background.


Cutest. Wingmen. Evah!
Now some on the Internet are viewing this as song to TVXQ. Yep, Jae's song to TVXQ. All two of them. ("We just need to have the two of us.") Sorry, but no. Nine years before this song was written, there was no TVXQ. In fact, if my k-pop history lessons have been paying off, Jae and Yunho were originally placed in a group called Four Seasons with Super Junior's Heechul and Kangin. So this ain't for TVXQ ... at least not for all of them.

Then, there was talk the song was written for Jae's main man, Yoochun. ... Why? Yoochun's right there. Jae doesn't need to compose any songs for him. He could text him. Or tweet him. Or just walk across the room and go "S'up?" The only time they've been separated was when they had opposing filming schedules, and unless Jaejoong just really missed Chunnie during the filming of Sungkyunkwan Scandal, a song just doesn't seem necessary. (And where's Junsu's song if that's the case? No love for SuSu?)

I suppose this song could have just been written to a generic female, but considering this is on an album featuring Yoochun's angry "Untitled" rap and Junsu's reaffirming "Fallen Leaves," I'm thinking this song is personal. And there's only one person I know of who Jaejoong shared "sweet memories" with and who he would run back to on "pleading knees."
It's the one who's not nearby, the one of which the only way Jae can communicate with is through song.


Jung Yunho: "Before U Go"

Before we go too far, let me take this time to apologize in advance for the apparent shortchanging of Yunho in favor of Jaejoong. Yunho's always been hard to read in terms of YunJae. Thanks to the split, he's damn near indecipherable.

Unlike Jaejoong, we don't have self-composed lyrics or Tweets to analyze. Everything Yunho does has to go through the filter that is S.M. Entertainment. I'm not going to go so far as to call Yunho a liar, but he's clearly in the position where he has to keep quiet about the suit and his personal life.

Case in point: Yunho's neck.


The explanation behind this is either really violent or really sexy.


The Missing Ship

The key to Yunho isn't necessarily what he's doing, it's what he isn't doing. If YunJae was just for show, where's the new ship to replace it? Since Jae's departure, there's been no one for Yunho to hug up on or play the appa/umma game with. There have been no glances or hand holds. No intimate hugs and no declarations of love.

I'll give S.M. credit; they've actually done a pretty decent job at making HoMin the new "it" ship, but it's just not the same. Changmin doesn't tolerate the lovey-doveyness the way Jaejoong did. And when he does take part in the playing the HoMin game, he tends to do so in a way that makes it obvious it's for show.


There's a fine line between fanservice and sexual harassment, Minnie.
As happy as Jae's activities leave me, I can't help but feel brokenhearted for Yunho. He just looks incredibly alone sometimes. The man's lost his best friend due to a stupid legal dispute. He has to serve as leader for a now fragmented group without the man that's always been his main source of support. Changmin is there, ever the snarky maknae, but he doesn't adore Yunho nearly the same way as Jae did. It's rather strange to see Yunho in a photo without Jaejoong watching over him.


And the thigh gropes. I kind of miss the thigh gropes.
And if the reports of Yunho and Changmin crying over Jae's "I miss HoMin" tweet are true, he hasn't exactly gotten over losing his Jae yet.

In the past, Yunho was always considered the strong one. Even now, Changmin has said that Yunho hides his tears and sadness away from everyone. He soldiers on like the good leader he is and he doesn't let the world see his pain. Before, this didn't worry me because he had Jae and the others there to support him.


Jaejoong is strong enough to carry Yunho. I think we sometimes forget that.
I had faith that the other four members were there to comfort the real Yunho and his heartache. And considering how close Jaejoong and Yunho were, I'm sure Jae saw sides of the man even the others didn't get to see. But, with Jaejoong so far away, who's comforting him now?


Changmin doesn't mind listening, but no touching please.


Keep Your Head Down Fanmeeting

While fans are yelling Yunho's name at Jae, other fans are asking Yunho to autograph their YunJae family portrait banners.
This more than likely doesn't mean anything. Actually, this is exactly how I would expect Yunho to react to hearing Jaejoong and YunJae brought up. He's polite, friendly and doesn't say anything too incriminating.

But that "Jaejoongie"...

I don't know if he said it simply out of habit or because he wanted to tease the fangirl in front of him and, to be honest, I don't really care. He just says it so naturally, so kindly, that I just know he still cares for Jae. He wouldn't be able to pull it off that smoothly otherwise.

Your Jaejoongie would love to hear from you, Yunho. And maybe someday soon you'll all be in a place where that can happen.


Yunho's Changing Image

There is one final thing I would like to bring up regarding Yunho. In the good ole' days of YunJae, Yunho was always considered the manly one of the group. In fact, that was a common argument people used to explain why Yunho couldn't have any feelings for Jaejoong. (And again I say to those people, you're very confused.)

Now, I don't believe either man's masculinity has any sort of bearing on their feelings for each other, but I would just like to share this:

That fact that the mascara vibrates makes this all the more awesome.
I knew you had it in you, Yunho. I knew it all along.

(Okay, so I have been informed that this image is fan-made. The ad is fan-made; Yunho is 100 percent real. Which is why I'm keeping this image in the post. Because he is just that fabulous.)

Conclusion

I don't know what the point of me writing this was. I can't offer any definite answers or proof that the boys are still close. I know there are many who are angered by JYJ's actions and hurt by HoMin's words. And there's really nothing I can do to make that hurt better. But please just remember, these five gods we all love so much, are human.

Perhaps we set our expectations of the five too high. They grew up in front of us as gods who seemed to be able to do no wrong. They smiled to the fans and thanked us for all the support. They never bickered amongst themselves, at least not in public and not in a way that wasn't affectionate. The were humble, polite, down-to-earth and handsome. Maybe we just forgot that they do the same dumb human things as you and I.

Humans don't make sense. Humans sometimes hurt people they love. Humans say stupid things. Humans change their mind. And, most importantly of all, humans forgive.

So, until the day they appear on stage again together—not necessarily as one, but together—I'll keep the faith that these crazy acting, confusing, infuriating, loving, adorable five will remember all the crazy, confusing, infuriating, loving and adoring moments they've had together.

And as for Jaejoong and Yunho, I don't know what will become of these two, but I do know this: They are the role models for the love I want in my life. I want someone who's my best friend, who's my confidant, who's my protector and who's mine to protect. I want someone, who even after being apart for a time unknown, I can still think of only the good in them. They currently have that, and while they may be human and they may do dumb things, I know they're not dumb enough to throw that away.

Stay strong, boys. You all have survived so much, so far, and I know your strength will be rewarded. I promise you that.
A/N: Oh. My. G-Dragon. This is way too long to be healthy. Why did you all let me write this? I demand someone come to my house and smack my laptop out of my grasp. (I'm only kidding. Please don't hurt my lappy; it's all I have to connect me to the real world.)

This was both heartbreaking and a joy to write. I like writing these serious, scholarly essays about things like k-pop and shipping. Even with things as sad as they are with TVXQ, I honestly belief in that happy ending. You know why? Because I am that girl. I want everyone in the world to find their true love, eat great food and do stupid things with their best friends. Call me naive, whatevs. Making that my new world outlook has made me a happier person.

And I just want to think everyone who read, commented, memmed or even just glanced at the last YunJae essay I wrote. It has quite easily become the most-read thing I've ever written. I'm not one of the writers who puts out a lot of work, so I'm always thrilled whenever anything I like is well-received. You all have no idea how honored I am at your kind words. Thanks and I hope this essay can live up to even a tenth of what the last essay did.
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Date: 2011-08-11 04:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] k-musiclover.livejournal.com
OMG!!!! I love you so much right now. It's amazing to see someone write a true non-biased lovely view on the whole ordeal. I too wish for them to reunite as 5 and I respect them to do so when and if they can. I will continue to support them in all that they do apart or together. My love for them has not and will not waver. Thank you for your beautiful post.

Date: 2011-08-12 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
Thank you for your wonderful comments! I wanted to be fair to each side, so I'm very happy you found it non-biased. I love all the guys, whether it's together or apart. (I can't lie tho, together is better!) I just want for them to be happy.

Thanks again for reading! =D

Date: 2011-08-11 04:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaetaime.livejournal.com
my vision is blurry rn.. and ilusm for this ;; ♥

Date: 2011-08-12 02:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
When I first read this, I thought "oh no, I broke her computer monitor!" But now I think that's just the emotion in your eyes. *hands kleenex* I'm sorry, bb. I didn't mean to make you cry.

Thanks for reading and loving!

Date: 2011-08-11 04:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chloe1910.livejournal.com
This is what is needed for Yunjae fans all around the world. Faith and Hope and of course patience.

Like so many people, we wish for 5 to unite but I do not it's not possible now or even in short terms. But I hope many years down the road, they will. Whether Yunjae is still together, separated or secretly keeping contact we'll never know. I think as Yunjae fans, all we can do is to supporting them spiritually and hope that whatever it is, they are happy. That's all I am hoping for, that Yunjae or perhaps I should say that all five of them are happy doing what they are doing now.

Date: 2011-08-12 02:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
I think we all could use some faith, hope and patience. I think that we may be making things harder on ourselves than it needs to be. The boys know what they're doing with their lives. I trust that whatever they do will result in them all being happier, more productive artists. And that's all I can really ask for.

Thanks again for reading and commenting! I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Date: 2011-08-11 05:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] am3thyst.livejournal.com
OMG. Part One and this essay had me crying my eyes out for real. It's getting late and I will comment tomorrow, but I just want to say - thank you THANK YOU for writing this.

Date: 2011-08-12 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
I didn't mean to make everyone cry! *hand kleenex* I hope you enjoy part two and I look forward to reading your comments!

Thanks again for reading!

Date: 2011-08-11 05:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayokiki.livejournal.com
This needs to be sent out to Korea or something
so the boys can read it. This needs to just be
printed out and sent to ALL fans of the boys.
It gives me more hope just when I felt like
giving up. Thank you so much

Date: 2011-08-12 02:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
"This needs to be sent out to Korea or something so the boys can read it. "

Ah, no! Remember what I said about the mud? Make that incredible unattractive and untalented mud! (I'm just kidding ... sort of.) But, I'm glad you enjoyed the post. Thanks for reading and commenting. It means a lot to me. =)

Date: 2011-08-11 06:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uchihahime.livejournal.com
/cries forever. ilysm for this bb ♥ :')

Date: 2011-08-12 02:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
*hand never-ending box of tissue* For your tears.

Thank you for the love and for commenting. Seriously, these kind words mean so much to me.

Date: 2011-08-11 06:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ryukokoro-oppa.livejournal.com
A friend of mine linked me to this and I'm so thankful she did. I'm really crying right now and I just want to say thank you so much for this. Whenever I'm feeling down about fandom or the boys I'll just come here. Thank you so much for giving me something to keep my hope up.

Date: 2011-08-12 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
I'm glad she did, too. =) Thank you so much for your awesome comment. I'm glad it was able to cheer you up. That was my goal. I just wanted to give back to the fandom that's been so awesome. Thanks again for reading!

Date: 2011-08-11 07:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boojaeholvr.livejournal.com
I don't even know what to say about this, but one moment I was crying and the next thing I knew I was either laughing or semi-smiling. This post was full of so much hope it was overwhelming.

Just everything SFM.

Date: 2011-08-12 02:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
Thank you! Your comment make all the effort I put into the post worth it. I wanted to give the fandom some hope; I think we all need it. =/

Thanks again for reading and commenting!

Date: 2011-08-11 07:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rethzneworld.livejournal.com
appreciate what you've done :')

Date: 2011-08-12 02:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
Thank you! I'm glad you do. I appreciate your comment. Thanks again. =D

Date: 2011-08-11 08:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ndy-cn.livejournal.com
I think you summarize my feeling towards yunjae and TVXQ in general..
Thank you >_< as an old fans, it's really nice to read your essay, somehow it potray how I feel about the nature of yunjae and why I hold on to it and why in the weird sense I become attracted to the K-pop fandom.
Just like you I really can't like any other k-pop band accept TVXQ (as 5) and JYJ now since I don't know, I guess there are too many fake things, fan service, and sometimes drama that make me can't like other fandom. TV2XQ fall into that category now (in my opinion) I think SM doesn't used homin's talent to the maximum and only used fans loyalty, it break my heart.
As crazy and unreasonable the fandom for JYJ and TV2XQ I still stick around since I fall to deeply with Jaejoong and the boys relationship...
Thank you for the essay, can I share it on my twitter?

Ps. the tonight show was held in Thailand, not Indonesia, you know how strong YJ shipper in thailand >_<"

Date: 2011-08-12 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
Thank you! I'm glad you liked the post. These guys are my top k-pop artists; everyone else is a far second.

Certainly feel free to share on your Twitter! I'm honored you'd even ask. Thanks again for reading and commenting! I really appreciate it.

(P.S. Oops! I fixed that. I don't know where Indonesia came from? Thanks for the edit, tho.)

Date: 2011-08-11 08:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] godchild1134.livejournal.com
this essay broke my heart in a good way. thank you bb for writing this omg. this is legit amazing. thank you so much ♥

Date: 2011-08-12 02:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
Thank you for reading and commenting! And as long as I broke your heart in a good way, that's okay I guess. =) I'm glad you enjoyed the post. Thanks again for your kind words.

Date: 2011-08-11 08:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dakaqua.livejournal.com
i love your manifesto so much... It was really fun to read, ad filled with picture..

I haven't even finish reading the first part but I can't wait to safe my self a spot, now I'm off to read again :D

Date: 2011-08-12 02:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
Thank you! I hope you enjoy the rest of the post. Happy reading. =)

Date: 2011-08-11 10:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wethesinners.livejournal.com
oh gosh, this is honestly the most amazing thing ever
I THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
...you must have put so much effort into all of this
thank you <3

Date: 2011-08-12 02:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
Thank you! It was actually a lot of fun to write, so it was hardly an effort. I glad you enjoyed the post and I really appreciate all your kind words. Thanks again. =)

Date: 2011-08-11 11:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] christy00.livejournal.com
Thank you so much for writing this. This essay is easily as amazing and perfect as the other one. I think sometimes we fans just need someone to tell us it's alright and that we just need to have hope; that out boys are not completely lost; that loving and believing in them is enough... well, I'm ranting already. Anyway, thank you so much. It was a lovely read and I can only hope for more if you're ever up to it. Thank you.

Date: 2011-08-12 02:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
Thank you! Considering how touchy a subject the suit and split were for some people, I was worried about how this one would be received. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Thanks again for leaving such kind words. =D

Date: 2011-08-11 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ecaisme.livejournal.com
Ahh thank you for writing all this..it must took you a long time ^3^

But ahh I'm really particular to detail mianhae~
- The DBSK name does not belong to SM..they got denied of the copyright twice and SM withdraw once in 2009
- The Tonight show is in Thailand not Indonesia

Other than that thank you again for writing this..and this:

For me, relinquishing my fondness for YunJae would mean giving up my faith in OT5.
I keep shipping YunJae for one very simple reason: They are my hope.


That basically sum it up for me >.<
I love you~ If I could I would hug you right now for writing this *cyber hug*

Date: 2011-08-12 03:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
Thank you! *cyber hugs you back* I'm glad you enjoyed the post. Yeah, Yunho and Jae are my hope. They (and the rest of the group) have handled this situation better than anyone. I trust them to do the right thing.

Thanks again for commenting. =)

(P.S. I fixed the "Tonight" show refer [I don't know where I got Indonesia] and tweaked the line about the name. Thanks for the edit. After re-reading this over and over again, I miss things here and there.)

Date: 2011-08-11 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bikkun.livejournal.com
whuppidoo~ this essay details everything I feel and have thought about!
like somehow you wrote every little detail what I've been keeping in my mind ^^
thankU~ so much for writing this!

oh god I really feel sad for all of them sometimes when homin sings their old songs :/
it's clear that they have to keep their feelings in check in front of everyone which is why I don't watch live performances, makes me cry...

being an artist is a tough career -_-

Date: 2011-08-12 03:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
Thank you for reading! I'm glad you enjoyed the post so much. There's nothing more heartbreaking than see Yunho's sad face. It's a rare thing for him to let us see, which makes it all the more powerful. =(

Thanks again for reading and commenting!

Date: 2011-08-11 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plainsofheaven.livejournal.com
speachless.

Date: 2011-08-12 03:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
I hope that's a good speechless! Thanks for reading. =)

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Date: 2011-08-11 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ouji.livejournal.com
FINALLY SOMEONE WITH SENSE IN THE FANDOM 8D (hugs)

Date: 2011-08-12 03:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
Thank you! *hugs back!* There's a lot of us with sense in the fandom; I think sometimes we just need to be reminded that things aren't as bad as they may seem.

Thanks again for reading and commenting. =)

Date: 2011-08-11 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inukag0.livejournal.com
i've been looking forward to this!
Man.I cried watching Yunho during the Balloons perf with SHINee...like streaming down my face crying (and that doesn't happen very easily to me)
Dear jeesh,he didn't look that happy at all.OTL
as of now,i'm pretty speechless because of the amazing essay u wrote here but i like how u look at all of it,nothing biased or whatever.
I am REALLY looking forward to the day they all come together again -sobs- because like many oT5 Cassies i know,i know the boys are happiest when they are all with each other.
ILYSM,really,i do.
and last of all,thank you :)

Date: 2011-08-12 03:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
Thank you! I'm glad you liked the essay. I think the boys shine best when together. I can't wait to see them reunite either. It'll be amazing. =)

Thanks for reading and leaving such kind works. I really appreciate it.

Date: 2011-08-12 02:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atriums.livejournal.com
I can't thank you enough for writing this essay, and for being one of the most sensible people in this fandom. It shows and after all the crap that's been happening lately, it's definitely a breath of fresh air to see this.

Reading the first part of this essay broke my heart in two, and then finishing this second part shattered it to pieces. I say this in the most affectionate way possible...if that even makes sense. ^^; I'm a newer fan of DBSK, so I never got a chance to enjoy the boys as five. Sometimes I sit down and I try to process everything that's happening, but every source says something a little different from the others. I ended up so confused, but the way you presented this essay laid out all of the facts straight and I find myself a bit more content. Now that I know what's going on for sure, I know exactly where I stand and your essay is a perfect portrayal. I agree 100% and then some. XD

So, once again, thank you. This is beautiful and amazing and refreshing and definitely something I needed, something all of Cassiopeia needed. ♥

Date: 2011-08-12 03:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
Sorry for shattering your heart, but I'm glad you still enjoyed the post. This whole thing is a lot to take in, but I know the five will survive it. They've been through worse. And I'm glad you think this post is objective; I wanted to fair to both sides, as neither has done anything wrong in my book. Thanks again for leaving such kind words. =)

Date: 2011-08-12 03:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lihope.livejournal.com
Its beautiful. You made me cry, laugh, love, sad and go through so many emotions. i think i can relates to you and your perspective of TVXQ and JYJ and I do want Yunjae's love too.

I am sad and dissapoint that some new members just take one side and forgot that they were five before and can be again in the future. however long it takes.

The tweets really made my heart cry and now i have tears in my eyes while writing this too. it got so much emotion. Please do answer back Yunho because if Junsu can see the love and beg you to reply i think that saying something.

i came into the fandom because of Yunje so i do believe them. i do believe they love each other even now with their own way of loving each other.

I really like all the pics, links and song. it is good.

NINE: i am getting more emotional now.

anyway, i am very glad that you geve this to us. very very glad.

I still can hope.

Date: 2011-08-12 03:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed the post so much. I agree with you; it does kind of hurt when some fans forget that TVXQ was originally five. I'm not saying you have to love everybody, but at least respect the group as five. I love those tweets. Junsu is just too much for words sometimes.

Thanks again for leaving such a kind comment. =)

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Date: 2011-08-12 09:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicshi.livejournal.com
ahhh u know what I wished you'd put the pics of yunjae wearing the same accessories for like the 10th times in a row now? that'll make this complete *winks* otherwise great job i love ur post ^^

Date: 2011-08-13 06:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
Thank you! Yeah, I could have put a lot more photos in this one. =/ But I'm glad you liked it anyway. Thanks again for reading and for commenting! It means the world to me.

Date: 2011-08-12 12:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-planet31.livejournal.com
Ok... I love you... XD
I'll be back with looooooooong comment once I can think of something proper to say that's not SPAZZZZZYUNJAEWHYYYYYYSPAZFLAILTEARSOPENYOURHEARTDAMNITTTTT

Date: 2011-08-13 06:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
Your comment made me giggle. Thank you for that. I'm glad you enjoyed the post! I look forward to your comment. =D

Date: 2011-08-12 01:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sera-phina.livejournal.com
i love love love how you presented yunjae, tvxq, the lawsuit ... actually i loved everything you've written.

i tend to shy away from tvxq comments nowadays because i can't stand people fighting over them. i mean i would understand if you preferred one side over the other, but can you please refrain from hating on the other side. because i love and support all FIVE of them!

i would also describe myself as a mellow fan, but i'm one of those who will be forever rooting for the return of TVXQ5. it's so nice to see that many others share the same opinion.

thank you once again for writing such a beautiful and detailed analysis of the post-lawsuit situation. let's keep our fingers crossed and hope for good things in the future. :)

Date: 2011-08-13 07:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
Thank you! I know what you mean about some parts of the fandom. It can be real exhausting, especially in those sites that prefer one group over the other. I'll always be for DB5K; I just can't imagine the group any other way. =) Thanks again for commenting. It means so much to me!

Date: 2011-08-12 03:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] convolution.livejournal.com
everything i've been thinking/feeling about OT5 and YJ, you got it all summed up in this beautiful post ;____; ilyy!!!<3
thank you for this<3

Date: 2011-08-13 07:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazz-and-jop.livejournal.com
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed the post. It was a real pleasure to write. Thanks again for your kind words. =D
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